Posts by Anna Marina

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Mandatory Donations??? Is This Accurate?

by Atlantis in

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does the information about mandatory donations in this post sound accurate to you?.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/i1gews/new_letter_1000_donations_are_mandatory_now/ petra!

Anna Marina

I was presented with a personal pledge form - must have been 2014 or 15 sometime round then. I looked at the elder who presented it and said, "put that away."

I could see he was ashamed even to have to hand it to me. It was contrary to everything we had been taught.

As he put it back into his folder he looked more relaxed. He knew it was the wrong thing to do. But now he could tell Bully Elder Whoever that he had tried to give me a form.

I felt like scribbling up my own form and handing it to them telling them what my hourly rate was for attending.

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New Disfellowshipping Procedure

by Anna Marina in

disfellowship but never, ever announce it.. this new procedure is to be confirmed - anyone else come across it?.

for this record these are jesus' actual instructions in relation to this matter:-.

(matthew 18:15-17) 15 “moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

I did the leg work of studying the Bible carefully before I was contacted. I knew the Bible pretty well. When I studied with them, unknown to me, I was affecting the sister who was studying with me. She was actually learning some things from me. I wasn't trying to teach her I was just asking the right kind of questions.

But I did learn from them. One thing I couldn't figure out was why things were so different after Jesus died. The Catholics had some answers but their answers were not as clear as the Watchtower's. Some of the information the Watchtower puts out is accurate and I found it helpful. Also some brothers and sisters were very knowledgeable.

But Watchtower info stays at a certain level. Like so many I was gradually nodding off in the meetings because they were boring. But I found it easy to do stand-in talks. I wanted to be helpful so I did most of the stand-in talks. It'd get me through the Thursday meeting without becoming unconscious.

In 2005 I did a stand-in talk that was about a teaching I had never heard of. Because I had learnt what was in the Bible long before being contacted, I knew the teaching was blasphemous.

Thereafter I wrote to the GB and had to lay out my case. I learnt a bit of Hebrew and Greek and my insight into the Bible grew. Through all the issues I have had to face with these spin doctors, I have learnt how their spin works. Its been a real education!

I tend not to get involved in discussions. Ok a little bit sometimes, I might point to relevant scriptures. But like snowball fights discussions can start off as fun and then people get hurt. If I can put something out there that is helpful, great. But I think the best thing is to encourage people to have confidence in their own intellectual powers and read the Bible for themselves, if they want to.

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JW Tchotckes _ How Nauseating Are They?

by Room 215 in

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knorr, franz, henschel et al must be spinning in their graves....https://www.jwstuff.org/.

Anna Marina

You get 4 free lapel pins with any order.

I think I'll have the butterfly earings and the sparkly Always Rejoice stylus pen. Aw, but I haven't got my buying boots on.

Oh you can get custom made lapel pins - now there's a challenge - what could you have written on a custom lapel pin?

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New Disfellowshipping Procedure

by Anna Marina in

disfellowship but never, ever announce it.. this new procedure is to be confirmed - anyone else come across it?.

for this record these are jesus' actual instructions in relation to this matter:-.

(matthew 18:15-17) 15 “moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

Anna Marina

Still no conclusion on the new disfellowshipping procedure - it may be a very heavy marking. To treat a marked person as if they are disfellowshipped. So what's that exactly if not disfellowshipped?

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New Disfellowshipping Procedure

by Anna Marina in

disfellowship but never, ever announce it.. this new procedure is to be confirmed - anyone else come across it?.

for this record these are jesus' actual instructions in relation to this matter:-.

(matthew 18:15-17) 15 “moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

Anna Marina

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New Disfellowshipping Procedure

by Anna Marina in

disfellowship but never, ever announce it.. this new procedure is to be confirmed - anyone else come across it?.

for this record these are jesus' actual instructions in relation to this matter:-.

(matthew 18:15-17) 15 “moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

Anna Marina

Hi LV101 - here's some screen shots of what's coming. Also Dan 1:1 says in the the 3rd year of Jehoiakim's rulership. The little luvvies make that 3rd year 8 years long and call it his 11th year of rulership. Their maths on which 1914 sits is twaddle. You only need 7 scriptures to prove it is twaddle. The 7 scriptures are 5 from Jeremiah and 2 from Ezekiel. The hammer blow which takes them down is Eze 40:1.

If you know the Bible well enough you'll see that Eze 40:1 is talking about the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar and 14 years after it. So the hammer blow to WT's 1914 doctrine are the numbers 19 and 14. Almighty God - He's so clever. They never stood a chance.

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Assistance Received!--2020-August-S-147-E Announcements And Reminders! (as of 2020-08-02)

by Atlantis in

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someone has stepped forward to assist us.

that sure didn't take very long!.

2020-august-s-147-e announcements and reminders, in english and in german.. .

Anna Marina

Hi Petra - when I click on the link with your picture I get advised by anti virus of malicious site attack.

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New Disfellowshipping Procedure

by Anna Marina in

disfellowship but never, ever announce it.. this new procedure is to be confirmed - anyone else come across it?.

for this record these are jesus' actual instructions in relation to this matter:-.

(matthew 18:15-17) 15 “moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone.

Anna Marina

Hi LV101

I understood the importance of the name Jehovah, however you pronounce it. He is the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The term Jehovah's Witness was lifted from the book of Isaiah by WT and used as a kind of shield. If you set yourself against the house of Jacob, potentially you can be categorised as anti-semitic.

Also the prophecies to do with the promised seed, the Messiah, Jesus Christ come from those who really were the true prophets of YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/God the Father/the God of Israel. So if I allowed them to disfellowship me, they could say I was opposed to people like the prophets Daniel, Ezekiel and Jeremiah. They were the very ones whose words I was sticking to! Given I knew their words so well, I knew that by their authority I could call out the GB as apostates and kick out the 1914 doctrine/seat of power. But how to do it?

The key was to get round the Service Desk by making a password protected website with all the info the GB needed from me to see that I had a case which I was talking to them about individually - if they would engage with me. I gave them 3 months then I removed the password to make the website accessible to the congregation members. At the same time that I removed the password, I did that YouTube video. The YouTube was for congregation members pointing them to the Olam30.com website. I also sent out letters to about 50 congregation members telling them what I had done and why. Happily a number have not turned against me but they are in a difficult position. Also, the elders are in a difficult position and might have resorted to hidden disfellowshippings. They disfellowship but they don't announce it.

Returning to the GB, I took it that their lack of response to me was their disassociation from Jehovah. And I informed them that this was how I would view their failure to engage. Also the prophets themselves do actually act as 2, even 3 other witnesses against the GB. Further, the words of Daniel, Ezekiel and Jeremiah have always been infront of them.

Yes that leaves me as the Jehovah's Witness, or more accurately, the Christian because I was told the term 'Jehovah's Witness' was just another term for Christian - which was how I had interpreted it (regardless how others interpret it or what others have been told).

By sticking to the words of Daniel I did not do anything unchristian, nor did I do anything anti-semitic.

I am in the process of making another video because I have been asked to clarify the 7 scriptures that render the GB apostate. The video is taking a lot longer than I imagined but I'm getting there.

As regards what I believe, I try to keep it simple - basic Christianity and if there are differences in how we interpret grey areas, my view is don't force people to come to your view. So long as they are safe, let 'em be. They'll enjoy reading the Bible and mulling it over as they want. Provide assistance/signposting if asked. If they have ideas that could take them into dangerous waters, try to speak tactfully to help if possible.

What I don't like is when people drop things into conversations to sting the conversation and clap down freedom of Christian speech. Clamping down freedom of Christian speech is exactly what the lying Watchtower did.

My accent is Devonian. Devon, UK. So is Christine.

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The Black Goat in the JW Covid-19 Report - 2020 Governing Body Update #5

by Oh-my-God in

did you notice this?

2020 governing body update #5. https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/docid-702020307_1_video.

why do they show the black goat in the picture?

Anna Marina

There's goats and there's goats.

Sheep and goats... and... scapegoats.

Not all goats are bad.

Leviticus 16:10 . .But the goat for Azazel is to be placed living before Jehovah, for the taking away of sin, that it may be sent away for Azazel into the waste land.

1 Peter 2:24 . . .He himself bore our sins in his own body upon the stake, in order that we might be done with sins and live to righteousness. And “by his stripes you were healed. . .

But that video is wierd.

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Did You Have Good Relationships With The Elders?

by minimus in

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my experience was that most jws wanted to have an elder “friend” just in case they got into any “trouble “.kinda like knowing that certain cop who might get you out of a jam.

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of course there was another group who did everything they could to either kiss the elders’ ass or stonewall them anytime they came snooping around.. how did you and the “older men” get along?.

Anna Marina

Did I have a good relationship with the elders? Well, one shook my hand as they disfellowshipped me. Is that a good relationship?